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Gavin Newsom's one big lesson
Fighting Trump is popular

Gavin Newsom has something to teach us
People really liked our episode about whether Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez should run, so we decided to follow it up with one about another Democrat I get asked about constantly: Gov. Gavin Newsom.
As subscribers no doubt understand, I’m less keen on Newsom overall. But I do believe he gets one big thing right: Fighting Donald Trump is both the right thing to do and the smart thing to do. You don’t need to love him to learn from him!
Also, we have remote interviews now! So a little bit different than our in-studio interviews. I’m excited for future chances to interview people across the country.
Gavin vs. JD Vance
My guest, Salon’s Sophia Tesfaye, and I discussed how Newsom enjoys trolling Vice President JD Vance. One big point in Newsom’s favor as a potential presidential nominee is that he’d wipe the floor with Vance in a debate. Watch this short clip for a taste!
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